What if the power to heal and transform your life was already inside you, just waiting to be unlocked?

Sounds game-changing, right? The truth is, you do hold that power—and the key might just be microdosing. 🍄

In my latest podcast episode, I sit down with Kayse Gehret, founder of Microdosing for Healing, Microdosing for Healing podcast and a true expert in the world of microdosing. Together, we dive into how this ancient practice can help you heal from within, break free from trauma, and step into your full potential.

Ready to unlock the power within you?  [🚀 Let’s dive into the show]

Microdosing: The Tool You Didn’t Know You Needed 🧠🌱 

You don’t have to look outside of yourself to find healing. The power has always been within you, but sometimes we need a catalyst to break through the barriers holding us back. That’s where microdosing comes in.

Microdosing works subtly but powerfully, helping you clear mental and emotional blocks, rewire your brain, and open new pathways to healing. You don’t have to wait for a breakthrough—it’s within reach, and you’re ready for it. 🌟

Curious about how microdosing can transform your life? [👉 Check out my full conversation with Kayse Gehret here]

Reclaim Your Energy, Release Your Trauma 🔥✨ 

Let’s get real: trauma, stress, and emotional baggage aren’t just things we carry—they hold us back from living the life we deserve. Microdosing offers a path to finally release that weight. Whether it’s childhood trauma, narcissistic abuse, or the everyday stress of life, microdosing helps you peel back the layers and heal at the root. 🌸

In the podcast, Kayse and I share how microdosing allowed us to break free from limiting beliefs and patterns—and how it can do the same for you. This isn’t just about surviving; it’s about thriving. 🌱

[Ready to hear how microdosing can help you break free? Click here to listen] 🎧.

Is Microdosing Right for You? Absolutely. ✔️💥 🍄

You don’t need to be a “spiritual guru” or part of a special club to benefit from microdosing. Whether you’re a CEO, a creative needing inspiration, or someone healing from emotional wounds, microdosing works for everyone.

→ Kayse has guided everyone from corporate leaders to healers, helping them boost focus, enhance emotional intelligence, and gain clarity. You don’t need anyone’s permission to start healing—the only permission you need is from yourself. 💪

Want to learn how microdosing can work for you? [🎤 Listen to our conversation with Kayse Gehret here]

The Power of Intention: Set Yourself Up for Success 🎯🌿 

Microdosing isn’t just about the medicine—it’s about your intention. What are you hoping to release? What do you want to call into your life? Setting clear intentions before you start your microdosing journey amplifies your results. 🔮

In the podcast, we talk about how to set the right intentions and why integration—what you do after your microdosing session—is key to creating lasting transformation. It’s not just about the moment. It’s about how you bring those breakthroughs into your daily life to keep the momentum going. 🔥

Take the Next Step: Your Journey Begins Now 🍄‍🟫

You already have the power to heal, create, and transform. Microdosing is just the key to unlocking that potential. 🔑 If you’re ready to take control of your healing journey, don’t wait. The path is clear—and you’re standing right at the door.

[Listen to the full episode with Kayse Gehret] and get the tools you need to unlock your inner magic.

➡️ Share this episode with a friend who’s ready to break free, too. Together, we’re reclaiming our energy, our power, and our lives. 🌟

Your Power is Waiting for You ⚡💖 

Healing isn’t something you find outside of yourself. It’s already within you. Microdosing is simply the tool that lets you access your inner magic, go deeper, and experience the transformation you’ve been waiting for. 🌿

Feeling empowered? You should be. Now it’s time to act.  Your healing, your power, and your transformation are within reach. 🚀

TRANSCRPIT:

Victoria Starr:
Welcome to Raw and Radiant, the podcast that ignites your spirit and empowers your soul. Are you ready to embark on a transformative journey? Here, we give other women permission to embrace their truth, to find the courage to choose themselves first. Because guess what? You are not alone. Join us in this massive journey of empowerment and courage. Together we'll illuminate your inner spark, empowering you to embrace the radiant light within and show you how magical you are. It's time to unleash your potential and make a difference in this world. Are you ready to step into the raw and radiant version of you? Hello and welcome back to another episode of raw and radiant tribe I am so excited that you're here I'm so excited for this episode this is an episode that I have been pushing and nudging for a little bit. I am. deeply honored to have as my guest Casey Garrett here. She has come into my life probably six months ago from a mutual van life friend. She is an amazing soul. She She just lights me up. Her laugh, her giggle, her smile, her face, if you could see her right now, it's just so beautiful to witness. But I just want to give you a little bit of background about her. She is one of the most highly regarded sought after guides for the medicine of the moment, the microdosing earth medicine practice. She has founded Microdosing for Healing and the Microdosing for Healing podcast. She guides the Microdosing Mastermind for the Healing Arts for wellness professionals incorporating microdosing into their professional practices. She has been featured in the New York Times, CNN, Health Magazine, Massage and Bodywork Magazine, and numerous spa industry publications. Along with everything else, she is an author, she is a Reiki master, she is a certified yoga instructor, and most importantly, in my mind, right here, right now, in this present moment of October 2024, she is a microdosing educator for the psychedelics for today. She is just this beautiful light, this beautiful soul, and you're going to be able to hear and feel her energy as we grow and flow through this organic conversation. Thank you for being here, Casey. No, thank you for having me. Yes, absolutely. Um, wow, there's so many avenues that we could take this conversation. And the first question I want to ask you is, like micro dosing, micro dosing, psilocybin, micro dosing, plant medicine, like it is a hot topic right now. And it is something that I know that you are passionate about. And I am becoming immersed in to its world too. Because I know that we both believe that earth medicines are able to reveal to us who we truly are. And I want to ask you, how did you get into being this role in this role for microdosing?

Kayse Gehret: Hmm, great question. Thank you. I think I would put it under the umbrella of both loss and luck. Both. So I have been in the healing arts for a very, very long time. I've studied, as you mentioned, some of the lots and lots of modalities. I just love this work, always have. And so I've always been interested in exploring and training in different modalities that can support people. And I simultaneously had a ground mal seizure disorder since I was 19 years old. So I was always very careful of I never use drugs, I was kind of afraid of what might happen to my already precarious mind. But when I came across someone who introduced me to the idea of micro dosing or more of a plant dieta. versus doing a high dose ceremony, there was something in me that said, yeah, that, that makes sense. That feels good. It feels right. And so I tried it and I didn't, I didn't really know anyone else at the time who was doing it. So I didn't really have set expectations for it. I started noticing things from day one. A huge uptick in my cognitive functioning, definite connection to nature. All of my senses were dialed up. started to feel things more profoundly. I've always been intuitive, but I started noticing leaps in my intuition within the first few weeks. And after a few months had passed, I realized I haven't had a seizure. I haven't had an aura, I haven't had a seizure, and I have never had one since. So microdosing for me was the ideal way to start. And a lot of the people I work with too, they're drawn to start because they don't necessarily want to lose control or they're a little bit fearful or they're eighties kids steeped in the conditioning. And so it's a really beautiful way because as soon as you connect with the medicine, you realize there is nothing to fear. And as you develop your practice, you just fall into this beautiful trust with the medicine and it unfolds from there. So partly just good luck in the serendipitous timing. And I think too, I came into this as a work and as a method of service when I lost my previous business in the pandemic. So I had had healing art studios, brick and mortar studios. it was really that loss that birthed something new. And now I can see clearly in hindsight, it's the work that I've always like everything else was kind of practice getting ready for this work now.

Victoria Starr: Yeah, I kind of created this foundation for you to be able to hold space for people and this modality and knowing that Yeah, there's so much that the earth can give us and it's just opening up our reprogrammed minds of what we should and shouldn't do right before we go down that rabbit hole and I know we will because that is Ooh, something that's been really present on my mind, too. So just for clarity, I just want to drop into the space, too, that I have been in the past two years microdosing myself. And it is something that has been transformational for me within my journey of healing from narc manipulation, narcissistic abuse from a mother and from a 12 and a half year marriage. And how I got into it is I first began breathwork practices and deep deep immersion and to breath work. And I, I want to say I want to stacked I stacked on the micro dosing to it because I knew that I could maybe create this path that was quicker to my healing, that was able to open me up more to the healing that I was here, that I am here to do, so that I can be of service to other people. So that is something that I want to be clear and transparent about is that my journey into microdosing has been the past two years and being in your space has really opened me up even more into wanting to share this sacred modality with the people in my space and with people that aren't in my space, because there gets, there is just this nuance about microdosing and about, Ooh, the eighties, like all the bad juju and then the dare. And then now can we just tap into that? This is a beautiful earth medicine, right? Yeah. Yeah, there's so much beauty that the earth can offer us. So thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing that. Something good came out of the pandemic, and that was you being able to share your gifts of microdosing on a more substantial level, right? So let's talk about how microdosing for you has evolved personally.

Kayse Gehret: Ooh, that's a good one. And that's one of the, I love that question because it's one of the beautiful things that people don't realize. A lot of people are so conditioned to think of it like a pharmaceutical, right? You do this thing and you take this thing and you get to a set point and you're healed and you like stay there. Right. And it's not that at all. It's, it's lifelong, like we're ever growing, ever changing. And so it's beautiful. Some of the people I started working with in back in 2020, you know, maybe they started to drink less alcohol, or they had migraines. And four years later, they're still walking their medicine path, but they have completely different intentions. Now. Now they're working on spiritual development, or emotional mastery. So it's this beautiful, unending, ever-evolving process.

Victoria Starr: Yeah, thank you for bringing that into this space, because healing is not linear. Healing is this journey, and I like to refer to it as like waves of the ocean. You know, the waves, the storms come in, and the microdosing allows you to, for me, I can speak to myself about my journey first, is allows me to step into the fear and know that the fear isn't scary. that there is growth and there are lessons moving through the fear. It's when we allow the fear to keep us stuck. And so through microdosing, it just gives my heart the opportunity to be more expansive and knowing that the medicine has me. So whether we're cycling in the medicine and microdosing for three months or six weeks or you know, whether some people I know cycle through for a year at a time. I mean, it's each journey is different for everyone and in their path is journey within itself. Yeah, yeah. Let's let's speak to Casey, how micro dosing for corporate corporate America, like I have some clients in my space right now that I know that are in corporate America, like how can that be integrated into the space?

Kayse Gehret: I love this. I love working. I've worked with a lot of executives, a lot of leaders, CEOs, and it's so beautiful to watch because these tend to be people that hold a lot of responsibility and influence. And so when they change and grow, the ripple effect is title. It's really, really amazing to see, to watch some of the CEOs I've worked with, like when they fundamentally change and they're sourced from a different place, from a place of wholeness and love. And just, it permeates everyone around them and all of their decisions and all their leadership team and everybody they touch. So it's, the impact is profound in working with people who are in a leadership role in their life.

Victoria Starr: Yeah. Can you give a little peace of mind to those that are listening that are in the corporate industry about micro dosing and having to have a corporate job?

Kayse Gehret: I would love to because this is this comes up on every intake call with someone in this position as the number one thing they say is case I can't be weird. Like I can never be weird. Not even for like a minute. We weird. Like I always have to have my stuff together. And so they're nervous. They're like, I don't want to feel trippy. I don't feel weird. I don't want to feel stoned. I can't be off my game ever. And I can reassure them. But the greatest reassurance is really comes from the medicine in that first couple of weeks. And they quickly realized they're like, not, am I only not foggy? I am better. than I have ever been in every way. I'm more focused, I'm more dialed in, I'm more present, I'm more articulate. I can anticipate things before they happen in a meeting. I know what someone is going to say before they say them. I'm better at negotiation. I'm better at deal-making. I am better at kind of seeing around corners. And so like everything over time, that's one of the things they say over, over the months that follow, they're like, why is everybody not doing this? It's such an advantage in every possible way. And we'll get there. We'll get there. But the lucky people starting now do have an advantage, I think.

Victoria Starr: Yes, agreed. Let's talk about, since you are an educator for psychedelics today, why does that happen? Physiologically, why does that happen? Why is someone more open, more receptive, more creative?

Kayse Gehret: Gotcha. From a brain standpoint, because the way psilocybin works on the brain, it opens up our neural pathways. And so I heard Robin Carhart-Harris, a prominent researcher, described this recently as canalistic thinking, like canals. We have these canal ways in the mind, right? And more and more and more in modern society, we have these rigid minds that are just these well-worn pathways. And this is really relevant if you have been through abusive relationships and trauma in the past. It's like we tend to relive, we get stuck, we get stuck in those feelings and that experience. And then oftentimes we go to talk therapy, and we further go over and over and over these pathways. And so what psilocybin does, it kind of opens up these canals in the mind. So we can make new connections, novel connections, and start to see and experience potential and possibility, not our inherited conditioned thinking minds.

Victoria Starr: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Wow, that's so beautiful. I know that there's actually a diagram out there that shows the neuropathways that without psilocybin, without microdosing, like your pathway, so I've said this before through breath work also, is that we're able to shift those neuropathways. And like Casey said, what happens is between the age of zero to seven, Like we have created these pathways, these programs within our brains, and I like to call it a super highway because they are well-worn. That's how we have moved through life and there's nothing wrong with them. It is simply how we have been able to keep ourselves safe. But over time, like those pathways, as with a well-worn road, we get potholes, we get divots, and the roads need to be shifted, the past can become clearer. And so through microdosing, like we can open up those pathways to different avenues, different trajectories, different bypasses maybe, and it allows these roads to light up even more. And so this visual that you can see with your mind without microdosing, these pathways are very limited, but with microdosing, these pathways are like really, really illuminated, right? Haven't you seen that, Casey? Yeah. yeah it's so beautiful to witness that there is proof there is evidence that this sacred plant medicine that has been around for thousands of years that has this ability to do so it's it's can we eliminate the shame that is around utilizing this medicine

Kayse Gehret: Absolutely. I mean, to me, working with people and seeing and witnessing hundreds and hundreds of people now, it's almost inevitable. It's just, it's an inevitability. And we're, I think, waiting for public consciousness to catch up, you know, and this has happened through with everything, you know, through time, you know, we believe things until we don't anymore. And then it becomes kind of silly that we did. We didn't know this before. So we're just on the edge right now, which is really, really exciting. And I think what you just shared and what you just described, a lot of times people come to practice and they've experienced this traumatic experience or abusive relationship, or they were cheated on. And they're like, I just can't, like, I've been working so hard. I'm working so hard to move past it. And I just can't move past it. And how can mushroom practice help me with this. And what I found, it just works very differently than we've ever considered working before where with this expanded perspective, and expansive view of our experience of life, it just gets smaller in contrast, you know, so many people have came in and they were working through, they're just, they were betrayed and they can't get beyond that betrayal. But after working with medicine and expanding their minds, expanding their spirits and possibility, yes, it's still kind of a thorn and they still feel a way about it, but it becomes so far down in their rear view. It seems so far away. It's just this happening in this experience rather than dominating their life. It just becomes part of their much faster life experience.

Victoria Starr: Yeah, yeah, I can see that too and I want to speak to the narcissistic abuse too and the manipulation and how as a child that I created these pathways in my brain that I need to people please I am not worthy of and I am not enough of and I'm not lovable and all these things that allowed my little girl, my inner child, to be able to survive her existence. And as an adult, now those pathways were created and that in turn created a partner that I called in because that's all I knew. And with the microdosing, with plant medicine, it has allowed me to go in where maybe there was some fear to sit with my inner child and to help her heal. where the microdosing has allowed me to go in and be able to hold her and love her and validate that she is worthy, that she is lovable, that she is enough. And also what I recently witnessed, Casey, within my last breathwork practice and microdosing is there's a lot of grief and a lot of shame for the first half of my life for, for choices that I made only based on my upbringing and based on how I moved through life, that I've been able to release that shame and release that grief because truly and honestly, like I'm grieving the person that I was. And also I'm allowing in this forgiveness of self forgiveness to go deeper and to evolve in the second half of my life because there gets to be and I choose it to be a different way to live. So that's how microdosing has been able to open my heart and open my healing in this journey. And it has just been so profound to be able to sit with the medicine and to allow a natural substance to hold me in the safe, sacred space. So let's talk about how microdosing and plant medicine psilocybin is a safe protocol for you to be able to experience the same potential opportunities that I did.

Kayse Gehret: Yes. So psilocybin is one of the least harmful drug on the rating of all the drug categories there is. It is relatively harmless. There are very few contraindications, particularly when we're talking about microdosing. And another common misconception that I still hear quite frequently is the addictive nature and developing tolerance. What I have found to be true is over time, the goal of microdosing is to not to need to microdose, right? Is when you heal and that takes a while for people to get their head around. Like I was curious after I noticed my seizures had ceased completely, I was like, oh, are they going to come back when I stopped microdosing? And they never did. And I will go, I will go months and months and months without working with mushrooms physically. And I never worry that they're coming back because that's the difference. It's mushrooms are potentiating the growth and healing within us. They're not doing something to us. That's not already there to begin with. So people often have these beautiful gains and it's almost takes them a minute to trust themselves. that this isn't too good to be true, do I get to keep this? Or do I have to keep taking this? Or do I have to keep taking more and more and more? It's actually the opposite. When people often come back and work with new intentions. They can work with a very, very little amount because as you release fear, density, thin the veil further, you actually don't need as much medicine to receive gifts and benefits in the future.

Victoria Starr: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. That is, I mean, that is something that I know in the six weeks that I sat with you in this ceremony of this beautiful community that we were able to grow together and you and I first chatted about, okay, how much should I take? And we started at a dose and this dose that you had me start out. I'm like, are you sure, Casey? Like, it doesn't seem like very much. And what we formulated together and what you brought to my awareness is that I've already done so much healing and so much veil lifting. I love that visual analogy here, that I'm already an open vessel, so I don't need as much. And I can attest to that. Like, I take very little and I'm able to work on a deeper level, I'm able to open up to a deeper level. And that's my choosing. So it's, it's not, I don't do it every day. It's really an intuition of when I'm choosing to utilize the medicine so that I can go in deeper. So if your vessel, if you're already a guide, if you're already a space holder, like your vessel doesn't need that much. It's just simply Like I'm using my hands, you can't see me right now. I'm like, I'm using my hands as this nest. Like it's just holding you and supporting you. And that's what I see the medicine as. So let's talk, let's bring in Casey, the spiritual aspect of psilocybin. And I really want to talk about if you're open to it, talking about your spirituality and how it's opened up to your guides and your path to talking to your, I don't know, just your guides.

Kayse Gehret: I'm happy to. Yeah, especially right now this I feel like this is such a potent topic, because I've been really seeing across the board in all of my containers, whether it's coaching clinicians and professionals, academics to my intakes, you know, a lot of people are finding themselves drawn to develop the spirituality and connection to source, whatever that means for them, or they have kind of spiritual gifts popping open. Like what, what is going on? And so I feel like that is really, really present for people right now. So yes, I think for my own path, I definitely looking back can see it's all the work. What has made the biggest difference of all has been all the work to release fear from my body. All of the deconditioning, all of the release, all of the training to tap back into me has made all the difference. I can see now my guide has always been with me since I was a little girl. It was just, we have so much conditioning and trauma kind of that holds holds itself between our connection to source, but sources always talking to us all the time trying to get our attention. So I've always been intuitive as a kid. But then when I went into the healing arts and studied Reiki, I remember it rocketed forward when I studied intuition medicine, it rocketed forward in depth. But it was really when I started practicing with mushrooms, that it went to a whole new level. And I do think that was all the clearing work that mushrooms help you do physically, mentally, emotionally, karmically, all the ways. So now the past, particularly in the past year and a half, my connection to my guide has gone from you know, when I need her, when she wants to chime in to pretty much all the time, I can call upon her for guidance when I need.

Victoria Starr: So that's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Like that, that is, I didn't want to talk about this. Like we are so programmed to think and to act a certain way. And I'm recently been diving into the book, the four agreements, and it is such a mind opener, really melting my face off reading it because this, We come here into this earth game, into this earth reality, and we are conditioned. No faults, no shame, no guilt, but we're conditioned by our parents. what color you see red? Is it truly the same color I see red? Is this bird truly the same bird that you see? So that is that opening and that awareness of we're programmed in a certain way and we grow up to think certain things and maybe potentially we do the judging of other people because that's what we learned and no faults given, but it's simply those generational things that have been passed down, right? And so if we can allow the plant medicine to open up to our spirituality, to open up to our intuition, to open up this vessel that is our soul self within this human meat suit, right? Then we can evolve so much bigger and trust in these divine connections and the magic that our guides or God source universe divine, whomever you speak to or hear from, that you can hear them on a much bigger, deeper level.

Kayse Gehret: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I also to think it's the act of reclaiming our own energy. to is really nourishing spiritually. Like I can remember all their faces so clearly. I had one group, one of our six week groups that ended up being all women, just serendipitously. And my guide came through the night before it was about to start. And what she often does with themes and clues about the container and in way she suggests that I hold space. And what came through with this group was one of the things that they had in common was all of them as children had had a very dominating, domineering presence over them, usually a parent, parental figure. And when I thought about it, I was like, that was absolutely true. There were an, an odd degree of, of women that had a PMDD in that group and it was affecting their, their disruption dysfunction in their physical body was manifested because of trauma they had received.

Victoria Starr: Can you elaborate what PMDD is?

Kayse Gehret: Sure. It's kind of like beyond the pale PMS. It's, it's, it's a form of PMS. So extreme that you're basically not functional for that for a part of the month. Yeah. So extreme sometimes mood destabilization, oftentimes physical pain to the point. A lot of women couldn't work during their luteal phase. Couldn't function. They're like, I'm asking for a divorce once a month at the same time. Yeah. And so it was really, really clear that these, these physical dis-eases were connected to childhood. And, and what my guide showed me that in this container, one of the things that was going to happen, the way spirit was going to work through these women is all of them had had this overbearing, dominating, abusive presence in their life as children. And they had lived their whole life in reaction to that, to prove themselves, to achieve, to overcome, to take up space, you know, in response against this energy. And Spirit said, it was time for all of these women to, instead of putting all of their energy outward, in defense, in protection and overcoming that they were to harness and reclaim that energy and really come into their, themselves for the first time in their lifetime. And I was like, wow. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, and this was the night before we began and it was just glorious, like to watch, watch those women over that six weeks, but especially to watch them six months later. And to look back at their lives. And as I shared earlier, it becomes almost like the former you, the former decisions that you make are so far in your path, like so far in your rear view that it's more just like, wow, the, I was a person who made that choice then. I'm so far from who that person is now. Yeah, you've grown so much. It's almost like lifetimes later. So that's how that's how it can work. And so it's part of its releasing and letting go, but it's also reclaiming our energy and bring it all home.

Victoria Starr: I, I love that reclaiming our energy reclaiming our soul self reclaiming who we were when we first came into this earth game before all the programs and all the conditions and all the past. And again, there's no shame there's no guilt on our generations they did what they needed to do to survive but I really feel that we're on this trajectory, this global trajectory to evolve, to expand. And it's just simply allowing the fear to be present and moving through the fear. So I know one of the things that you said is the more we work to dispel and release fear, the more we open ourselves to divine connection, trust, and faith in the magic of life. That is so freaking beautiful. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing all of that. So a question that came in that I received is, why does a person need a microdosing mentor or a space holder? Can we speak to that?

Kayse Gehret: Yes, I get asked this a lot and it's legit because I was just like, well, I didn't have anybody to really talk to when I started, right? I kind of made what I made because I wanted to have what I didn't have, right? So you can practice on your own. It's just so many of the things we've already spoken to, which is it's so subtle. And it's so feminine and its power that sometimes we miss it. Like if we don't have someone with us a guide a community, a buddy, a coach. Mushrooms love being in relationship. And so, as you said, like doing it with breath work or doing it with therapy or doing it with Qigong or doing it with somatic practice or doing it with peer-to-peer community-based support, it's so important to do it in tandem. I think mushrooms and their potency is much powerful in relationship always. And also we are just so overstimulated. as humans right now, we're so overstimulated, and constantly scrolling, scrolling, and, you know, hitting that dopamine that sometimes things need to really, really grab us, grab our attention to kind of get ahold of us and having a coach, a guide, a mentor to connect with and focus on brings the practice back into ritual, back into the sacred, I think, and so really having the time to reflect Oh gosh. Yeah. Things really have changed. I have changed way more than I thought. Um, so this just, that question just came up on our community call the other day. It's like, how do you know, how do you know things if this is working, like, how do you know you're doing it? Right. Um, and that's part of having the coach and the mentorship is to be able to ask you and prompt and inquire and kind of help you connect those dots and really see how far you're coming. that you can't see yourself because you're, we're often in our own biggest blind spots, right?

Victoria Starr: Right. We're in our own way. Yeah. So for someone from the outside looking in, they're able to see, and they're able to ask you those questions for your reflection, because I really feel like Casey, if I were to tell you like you're a changed person, like, would that really resonate with you? Or if I were to say, Casey, what feels different within you? Like, can you see colors brighter? Or can you feel emotions more? And can you move through them quicker? So it's really that question, that inquiry, rather than somebody telling you that you're different. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's for you to illuminate that growth yourself. exactly yeah thank you for sharing that that yeah that is something that has really and like being in the community the six-week community that i was with you is like simply witnessing other people going through their growth also made me stop and pause and wonder, I'm like, wow, that's true for me also. You know, it's not simply their path, but it's also illuminated XYZ and me also. So hearing that collective growth within the group is an opportunity to be able to transcend even higher.

Kayse Gehret: Absolutely. Yeah, that's the power of group work. Group work has been blown me away. Like I had read about how powerful it was, but most of my career was spent kind of in big group classes or one-to-one work. And so I'd never done focused group work before. doing these immersion programs. And oh, my goodness, it's, it's so beautiful. And it's absolutely true that it just amplifies everyone's results and containers and programs that way. But also spirit has a really funny way of bringing people together who are meant to be together. And it's really fun because as people come together, and I start to see the themes defined so clearly, that it too, amplifies the ability to learn not just from your own experience, but other people who are definitely have similar threads that they're working with.

Victoria Starr: Yeah, yeah. So beautiful. Thank you. So I know another question that came in, and this may be more pertain to a hero's journey. But how can you avoid a bad trip? So can you have a bad trip on a micro dosing? Let's start there.

Kayse Gehret: No. So that to answer that question first, I've not had anybody have a quote unquote bad trip certainly on microdosing because it's, it's sub-perceptual sub hallucinogenic. So I will say like to answer the question, sometimes people want to know like who, who quits microdosing, right? Who quits? I think it's very, very seldom. But when I've had people quote unquote quit, um, a couple people, it was just, they were very, they weren't anticipating having to feel so much. It was part of why they were doing it, but it was also, they weren't quite ready for it. They tended to be heavily self-medicating. lifelong workaholics, smokers, drinkers, and it was stopping those things along with bringing something into their life that did help them get in touch with themselves and their sensitivity was just too much too soon. So it's seldom that that happens, but when someone quits, they almost feel too, too much than they have the capacity to hold in that moment. Mushrooms as I spoke to before are really, they play nicely with almost everything, you know, and look at them in nature. They're everywhere all around the world. They kind of get along with, with most people. Um, so there's not a lot of things. Sometimes people who are growing their own and cultivating, sometimes people can have some stomach upset when they're growing and dehydrating and making their own. It tends to be from the chitin in the mushroom, the kind of hard part that kind of keeps the mushroom in form. But sometimes if people just need to switch to a different form of medicine, like a tincture or a tablet or a chocolate or something like that can usually ease any kind of stomach disruption they're having.

Victoria Starr: I love that explanation. Now, bad trip, bad trip. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about, let's talk about that first, before we go into that, let's, can you drop into the space? Like what classifies a microdose like the amount?

Kayse Gehret: Oh, sure. Yep. I actually, what I have found to be true is much lower than what conventionally is out there. So if you kind of go down the Google rabbit hole and read all the things online and the chat rooms, it tends to be higher. Like most people will say a micro doses between 100 and 300 milligrams is kind of the default of what I've seen. But in reality, in practice, our community has tended to start much lower and thrived at much lower doses. Many of them have not had to go above 50 milligrams to get really beautiful results. I think though that has a lot to do with the fact that like attracts like, you know, energetically. And so our community has tended to be pretty creative people. We've had a lot of artists and performers and healers and people who are, as you said earlier, like already done a lot of work and laid a really beautiful foundation. So I do think our community wouldn't necessarily represent mainstream USA.

Victoria Starr: Yeah. I know for me, like just dropping it into the space for me, it was 50 milligrams and it still is. Yeah. So, okay. Thank you for sharing that. Yes. Yeah. Now let's talk about the, the bad trip like that comes with a hero's journey. Yes.

Kayse Gehret: Yeah. So I, I love this question and I would, I look forward to speaking more about this because I think the connotation is oftentimes people describe a bad trip. It's really just the medicine telling you the truth. So oftentimes it's truth. We're not ready to hear being shown things. We're not ready to see. And so everybody's bad trip is, is different. Right. And so I think I have found microdosing and journey and just be the biggest honesty there is. And if you're really ready to be self-honest, um, there's nothing to be afraid of. But I do notice that people who still are in a little bit of denial, who are still victimy, who are still blamey of others, oftentimes are showed by the medicine, their part in their life, their role in their life. And so that is that a bad trip? I guess it's, yeah, it's not what you want it to be, but it's not necessarily bad. The other times people can have a bad trip, it's almost always tied to lack of preparation. I think there's so many people who have never done any therapy, any shadow work, any somatic practice, any breath work, any energy work, and then go straight to an IS ceremony. which is one of the biggest medicines you can do. And they're very, very destabilized and it's very, very terrifying in parts of it. Very disturbing, very destabilizing. And so again, I think we have a lot to do with that and preventing that by laying a foundation. That's why I love, I think for 99% of people, microdosing is a beautiful way to start working with medicines and then do your breath work, do your qigong, get your body work, like do all the things and lay a foundation. And I think you'll have a much better likelihood of minimizing the disruption and being able to move between liminal states with more ease and grace with preparation.

Victoria Starr: All right, so the next question I have for you, Casey, is talking about I'm going to call it prep work prep work pre planning, if you're going to do a hero's journey a larger dose. It's really about setting the intention. Why do you want to do this. What is your purpose for doing this? Like, can you speak to the importance of the intention prior to doing the microdosing, the hero's journey, the ayahuasca, any plant medicine like that? Because like you said, I see a lot of people that just like, Oh, I'm just going to do this because it seems to be the thing to do.

Kayse Gehret: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we work with intention, um, with microdosing and also with clients that are microdosing in anticipation for a journey, which is happening more and more and so fun. So setting their intention sometimes for people, it's a very specific thing. Like people say, I know I don't want to live where I want to live anymore, but I don't know where I want to go. So it might be something really specific. Sometimes it's a feeling of people want to feel a certain way in their life and let go of failing a certain way. So it runs the gamut, but I think having something to focus on, especially for our human monkey minds, thrive with having a focus, right, and a framework to work with. But we definitely differentiate hold and intention, but differentiate that from having an expectation. Because I find with medicine work, and particularly with mushrooms, like mushrooms are so indirect and non-linear and kind of clever and mischievous sometimes that they find a way that's like to talk to you. That's like Victoria speak, like they wouldn't talk to somebody else that way because they wouldn't get it. But for you, they kind of come in these backdoor ways. And so sometimes when we're super, super fixed on our intention, what would it be like? we, we miss part of it because having it be expectational, right, is, is it's limiting. And so we say hold an intention, but hold it very, very loosely because oftentimes the wisdom of the medicine is so much more than what we, what our human mind could ever contemplated. Right. So don't, yeah, don't set, set yourself up to be too shorted. Um, Yeah. And I think with, I think people, when people, when I come to people who have had a journey and they say, I'm coming to microdosing now because I did have a journey. I didn't prepare all that much. It was kind of disappointing. My intention wasn't met. Um, I think part of it too, is is you have your experience in a journey, right? And I know this will resonate with both of us, but your ceremony, it unfurls for months and years after. So I think that's why too, I think it's important to not journey too often as we see people doing, as a form of entertainment or escape, right? Because we really, really need to give us time for the medicine to work with us and through us. And a lot of times, six months later, the person who said, I didn't get what I wanted, my intention wasn't met, like after that weekend, six months later, they're like, oh yeah, I did. Oh yeah, I did.

Victoria Starr: I thank you for sharing that like that is such a gift to recognize too that that going into any ceremony to have a loose intention and not be fixated on the outcome of the expectation of the medicine because that is like you said our monkey mind that's our human conditioning so being open to allowing the medicine to show you what it needs to show you And then also I know for me, the integration afterward is so vastly important. So can you speak to speak to Casey, the integration after even a micro dosing six month protocol versus a hero's journey?

Kayse Gehret: Yes, absolutely. So I think conventionally in our, you know, in our world, a lot of times we think integration is about talking to someone. And that is a part of it. It's really important to have the reflection community, a guide to connect the dots and reflect back and make those ahas. But integration is also dreaming, gardening, breath work, dancing, making love. It's all of those things. It's reconnected to the earth. It's reconnected to our energy, to our breath. And so to again, I think we're so in the box and the narrative of psychotherapy, that we tend to focus on we have to verbalize it for it to be integrated, when sometimes our dreams can be more integrating that hours and hours of conversation, a single dream can integrate it into our spirit. So integration is all the things. And one of the edges that I have seen come up with in my in my programs and community is it's not, sometimes people think they're not doing enough. These tend to be people who've been doing hard and trying hard their whole life. They're, they're always, they're seeking, they're exploring, they're bettering themselves. And so sometimes they think they need to do more things. And sometimes integration is doing less things and receiving

Victoria Starr: Thank you for that permission slip right here, right now. Let's repeat that to heal. It's not doing more things. Sometimes it's doing less things and letting the pause be in place, letting the pause of the integration to happen.

Kayse Gehret: Absolutely. My experience is spirit. Spirit loves recognition and acknowledgement. And so when we're given these gifts, sometimes we think we have to do more to earn them, especially those of us who were conditioned as kids, we have to earn love. Right. And so sometimes I work with people and they still, it's, it's an edge, right? When you have these big gains, especially when you've, you've received gifts that you've worked on your whole life and you're like, it's finally here. And you're so conditioned to having to work for more and more and more doing something with it, that it's, it's hard for them. So I always tell them, if it's hard for you to receive right now, just show gratitude to spirit for what you're given because just say like, yes, thank you more, please. Yes, thank you more, please. And spirit often loves that and delivers that and helps bring our gifts to us in a way that we can see them more clearly if we're not really getting it.

Victoria Starr: Yeah, I love the fact that you brought in the gratitude because for me, even if we're calling something in, if you're manifesting it, if you're working with the medicine, just simply having gratitude allows you to open up to be able to see what the medicine or what the universe, God, source, spirit, whomever you speak to is trying to show you is that gratitude. And then it's more it creates more of that awareness. It creates more of that connection to the to the opportunity or to the experience or whatever you're trying to call in.

Kayse Gehret: Yeah, absolutely.

Victoria Starr: Yeah. This has been so juicy. Thank you so much for all of this information. I know that this is a conversation that we could keep going down. And I'm 100% sure I would love to have you back. I'm going to make sure that I get all my listeners questions answered on a future episode. You have been such a joy, Casey, to be in my life and thank you so much for just being you and being open to allowing me to be in your six-week community to see my unraveling unfold too.

Kayse Gehret: Yeah.

Victoria Starr: So thank you. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. So, um, one last question I want to ask you, I ask all my guests on the show is if you could go back to a past version of yourself, what age would you go back to and what would you tell you?

Kayse Gehret: Oh my gosh, what a great question. I would go back to, I guess there's so many to choose from, right? So many to choose from. I think I would go back to probably like 11, 12-ish was when I really started to delve into spirituality and history and mythology. And I'm Greek. And my Greek father died when I was a young child. And so I was really disconnected for a time from that lineage and that ancestry. And then when I was like 11, 12, it started to wake back up. a little bit. And I wish I go back because I didn't have the direct connection to a person that lifetime. I think I would have sought that out more and to follow that, follow that thread now, because it's taken, I got there eventually as we do. But I think following that internal mentorship, I think, because it was very powerful and very strong but I think giving yourself your permission to kind of follow your weird because following your weird is often exactly where you're supposed to be.

Victoria Starr: Right, right. Oh, thank you for that. Thank you for allowing us to see into your 11, 12 year old self and just to see that she is a gift and she has grown into a beautiful gift to the universe to our raw and radiant community too. So thank you so much for being here. And lastly, if you could share on here where people can find you, what's the best route Avenue, all the things that you want to share.

Kayse Gehret: Yeah, thank you. And thank you again, so much. And thank you to everybody who's listening today. I know you have a lot of breath, breath work folks here and a lot of people who are coming out of abusive relationships here and I can attest, like I've worked with that modality in combination is so, so powerful and people who are really ready to, you know, ready to leave, leave your past as one thing, but to take that leap forward into your next thing is one thing I have seen powerful allyship with medicine practice. So thank you to everybody in your community who that resonates with. Yeah. Thank you, Casey. Yeah, for sure. So my website is microdosing for healing. I'm super easy to find. I'm on all the platforms. I'm probably most active now on LinkedIn or not. So you can always find me there. And I'm also on Instagram and Facebook, but our website, you can always find me at microdosingforhealing.com.

Victoria Starr: Love it. Thank you. I will drop all the links into the show notes. And again, thank you so much for being here until I have you back the next time. Just I'm sending you so much love. And yeah, just thank you for being in my space. I appreciate you big.

Kayse Gehret: Back at you. Thank you. Thank you.

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